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I found it was to easy to involuntarily commit someone even if it wasn't your will to do it. I was pressured into it by the police and even the people that came to take the information. Everytime I would want to get out of their car they would yell at me.  You would think they made commission on how many people they commit, I was under a huge amount of pressure, didn't sleep, eat or shower for two days and not mentally stable at time of doing the commitment and also intoxicated. In the shape I was in I would not of been able to make a decision on what I wanted to order at a McDonalds.

How is this legal under those circumstances. Also the person that was committed did not meet the criteria to be committed. Not suicidal, homicidal, a danger, didn't inflict cuts to himself, physically took care of himself, not delusional, etc. 

The people that drove the house who took the report for the 302 were even surprised that it was accepted. Than I was supposed to go to the hearing and I was called that morning and told I didn't have to go because the doctor dismissed it. I thought that meant that the doctor felt that there was not enough to hold him and they would let him go. I talked to this person and he told me he was waiting all day to go to the hearing and than was told he didn't have to. Two days later I was told by a case worker up there that the doctor didn't want to take him to the hearing because they would of let him go, but he was still considered 302'd. I asked her if that was legal for him not to even have a chance to defend himself. She wasn't sure. She said that he is still considered 302'd. This also set of a whole series of very unfortunate events that did not need to happen. 

I only found topics or laws about commitment but nothing about the process or about who has the legal right to do this. It is kind of scary that it is that easy to commit someone. I understand in this day and age that everyone is on edge, but there should still be some kind of hearing or the person should be able to dispute this. It just seems like anyone could commit anyone under the circumstances that this person was committed. After I told people what happened people were shocked that it was that easy to do to someone. People were joking that they are going to do this to their husband, mom, sister, etc. 

There is so much to this story but it would be a book by the time I gave all the details.

Can you fight this?

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3 hours ago, Sybil said:

I found it was to easy to involuntarily commit someone even if it wasn't your will to do it.

 

Huh?

 

 

3 hours ago, Sybil said:

Can you fight this?

 

Whether I have this ability would require that your post make enough sense that I can understand what you're talking about (although I'll confess that, after reading that first sentence, I didn't carefully read the rest of your post).  What exactly are you talking about, and why do you care whether I have the ability to fight something?

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Of course there are laws about involuntary commitment.  Apparently you reported that someone you know was in a serious mental health crisis state.  Once you did so the person was examined and found to require involuntary commitment.  At that point you are no longer involved.  The decision to hold the person for up to five days for evaluation and treatment is up to the medical professionals.  Although it was required that someone initiate the commitment the petitioner need not be involved at all thereafter.  Unless you are the person who was committed you have no standing to fight anything.

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On 4/18/2018 at 6:48 AM, RetiredinVA said:

Of course there are laws about involuntary commitment.  Apparently you reported that someone you know was in a serious mental health crisis state.  Once you did so the person was examined and found to require involuntary commitment.  At that point you are no longer involved.  The decision to hold the person for up to five days for evaluation and treatment is up to the medical professionals.  Although it was required that someone initiate the commitment the petitioner need not be involved at all thereafter.  Unless you are the person who was committed you have no standing to fight anything.

 

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No, I didn't report anyone,  I was the victim and have been searching for any cases or legal advice on how to report the petitioner.  My husband and I have been searching for Legal Help,  as the Entire Case was False, and due to my not having knowledge about involuntary commitment laws although had worked as a COTA/L (Certified Occupational Therapy Assistant) in Rehabilitation and VA in Pennsylvania.  I have been searching for answers to clear my name and see what recourse I have against the petitioner.   Thank You,  Nancy24

 

 

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Nancy24.  Are you the person who was involuntarily committed in April 2018?  Sybil referred to the person who was committed as "he" and "him" suggesting the patient was male. 

Assuming you are the person who was committed,  your recourse, if any, would be against the physician who authorized the committment.  The petitioner simply suggests there is a person in need of help.  The examining physician is the person making the determination. 

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No, I don't know her,  I  joined the  conversation on my own.  I was the victim in my case..  I am unsure  how this was ever allowed to happen.  This is such an unbelievable incident, & has affected my life in major ways.   I was diagnosed at 58 yrs old with ADHD,  by my Dr.  Then 12.11.2017 had a Diagnostic Evaluation by a Psychiatrist,  & diagnosed with ADHD, combined.  We had been trying to find a Specialist close by for treatment for right medication & Coach..  This was planned without either of our knowledge  & for what reason?   My niece & her husband, an ex-state trooper, who had been relieved of  his duty 4-5 yrs prior, lived in the main farm house with their son & our Autistic nephew lived with them.  Next door was Her dad, across driveway was my mother-in-law.    The retired state trooper, only 52  had appealed  to keep job, then in accident, & retired with benefits.  My niece, & her husband came to our home on 9.27.2018, trespassed, went through our garage, & then banged & kicked at side door screaming, for 20 min.  I was scared, I waited 10 min to go to side door, looked out window & locked Front door. & went  to see who was there.  It was my niece & her husband, their faces were distorted with anger , she saw me, & said, " Gramma might possibly be having a heart attack. ". Then he shouted, " You open this door right now. ". (I was very scared & confused, as live across driveway from mother-in-law, why were they not with her?),  I told him, " No, I will not. ".  I  went back to L/R sat with phone until the noise stopped , then began trying to get a hold of someone on my phone.Third call was a close friend, he calmed me down some & I asked him to call my mother-in-law, because I had no idea what was going on, he called back , later & said she sounded fine, happy to talk with him.  The retired state trooper was the petitioner & after scaring me went home called crisis center, left a message for the County Agent's Delegate to call an Emergency Involuntary Examination & Treatment , telephone order, he did. at 6:47pm.  Neither my niece or husband had ever been to our home nor us theirs.  The petitioner barely knew me nor my niece, since we'd  move back after living away 25 years.  He had called in an Overdose around 4:45pm - 5:00pm,   he then called my husband's cell,  told him I was having problems.  Then my husband came home, told me what they had done, & tried to prevent him from coming to our home.  He said they called Crisis line wouldn't give reason why.  I called him 5-6 times trying to get him to stop it but kept saying it was too late? I called 911, about 8:30 pm, as was tired & wanted to sleep.  I spoke with Operator, she told me, You sound fine, there is no need for you to go to hospital.  I was very relieved, but she said they would have to stop at home.  2 PA State Trooper cars pulled up driveway at 9:15pm, dog was outside barking, I said I would get her.  The 2 Troopers & petitioner  followed me in my home.   I had put dog in crate & one of Troopers followed  me.  Said had warrant, that was it.  I told him about 911 Operator had said.  He told me, " We don't take orders from 911. ". He was very gruff & cold. I said I wanted to take my Diagnostic Evaluation with me & he said no, get your phone.  He told me to get my meds  & grabbed my left arm, stating I was a flight risk?  At arrival to hospital, I asked who was taking me home?  He told me I wasn't going home.   He called in to Crisis at 5:00pm  - for an Adderall overdose.  Came to house with State Troopers at 9:15pm? Arrived at Hospital at 9:25 pm.  I was not in any Crisis, nor knew how he could come in my home & bring 2 S. Troopers,  &  they were trying to intimidate me, by being very short & rough.   I have never been arrested or  never had the police come to our home ever?  It was 4 1/2 hours after he called in an Adderall overdose, which  I did not have.  I had not been near him in a couple months.  He knew nothing about me & would never have done such an Illegal & dangerous  thing to me, let alone laws broken. No one will hear my case?  We live in a very small town.  I appreciate any help you could offer.  Thank You, Nancy24

 

 

 

 

 

 

     

On 4/21/2019 at 5:31 AM, Nancy24 said:

 

 

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